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bca242 · Apr 10, 2007, 06:31 PM // 18:31

Ive attempted Mesmers in the past and they have failed in PvE everytime I try to make one. I dont see how all these people with nice Mesmers that have beaten games get to that point when Mesmers are so weak in PvE. I just wanted to ask yall if yall think its really worth it making a Mesmer, worth putting my time and money into. I really want to play a Mesmer but I want it to actually be able to do something useful in PvE.

Comments are welcome :3

Mesmer in Need · Apr 10, 2007, 06:47 PM // 18:47

Make a mesmer. I suggest you try to make a hybrid build at first, with a /elementalist, and try a fc nuker while you stock up on mesmer skills. You will find there are some good skills for pvp. Skills like backfire and empathy will rock in pvp, as the ai just ignores them, and they will end up killing themselfs. I agree, the pve mesmer is lacking some things that could make it more usefull in this area, but hopefully anet will do something about this soon. And dont be afraid to try something like fc nuker, as thats whay i tend to play alot, and I just leave the interrupting and things for pvp.

Skycluster · Apr 10, 2007, 08:17 PM // 20:17

With mesmers....you have to be patient... in pve usually I try to go into random pug groups, i just self invite myself to random groups, usually someone bounds to accept. Some times you have to say things like Shatter enchant mesmer, hex removal mesmer, backfire mesmer, and stuff like that for people to take notice (it dosen't work as well as it could but...).

Pat_vaynard · Apr 11, 2007, 12:01 AM // 00:01

I'm going to say it's not worth making a mesmer this late into the game if you intend to really enjoy pve with it. The idea for mesmers is basicly pvp orientated, so I just made my mesmer intially because I knew I would be pvping a mesmer a lot, so I might as well make one.

They are not fun in pve, and most groups don't even grasp what your skills do or appreciate them. You're basicly a surgeon with a psychic knife in compared to that warrior with his two handed maul and groups like grunts when they have extra room for em.

Calluette Hanuette · Apr 11, 2007, 01:03 AM // 01:03

Well, I would say mesmers are worth it, but most people I meet in game are like,"mes suck, 2nd class only, lolololololol", . :. If you know how, you can be great at PvE as well as PvP, although the problem mostly relies on the community's ignorance of a pve mesmer.. >>;<Illusion can be used PvE as well... >>;> A good thing about the mesmer, is the class isn't nearly as expensive as others, considering noone really seems to play as us, demand is down and prices shoot down<Runes, greens, etc.>. :. If you make a pve mesmer, you have to deal with the anti-mesmer pve community, find friends to do missions and junk with, or hero/hench the whole game... >>; But the class is fun once you know how to play it. "D

Helcaraxe · Apr 11, 2007, 02:59 AM // 02:59

As a career mesmer for over a year now... I can safely say, it's not worth it. The only reason mesmer is still my favorite class is because I find it challenging to succeed in the PvE game with the MOST PvE gimped class of them all.

erfweiss · Apr 11, 2007, 07:01 AM // 07:01

Honestly, the best time (in my opinion, of course) to start a mesmer is when you know the game and know the missions. It makes a huge difference when you can anticipate what your skillbar is going to be prior to entering a mission. It's gotten so bad on my templates that I have 15 different ones just for mesmer mission setups.

Avarre · Apr 11, 2007, 11:53 AM // 11:53

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Originally Posted by Calluette Hanuette

although the problem mostly relies on the community's ignorance of a pve mesmer..

I agree, but I think I have a different idea on which community group is ignorant about Mesmer PvE capability.

There are many threads and comments about the various problems with Mesmers in PvE, and it's really only a class you would play for enjoyment rather than as a 'hard-core PvE' character (I threw up a little typing that).

Pick Me · Apr 11, 2007, 03:09 PM // 15:09

It's all about personal taste. If you don't like Mesmers, then don't create one. If you love Mesmers, then try one out as a primary.

I love the Mesmer profession ever since I created my N/Me. My Me/Mo (mesmer skills + rebirth) is awesome. She's slowly gaining enough money for her 15k armor. I usually don't waste my time with PUGs, so I hench/hero missions and quests.

I don't heal, mainly because I have only free monk skills. Right now, I'm taking all of the Tyrian free skills from every profession. After I finish the Tyrian profession quests, then I'll go back to Cantha and beat those missions.

Early missions, I use health degen. Mid-missions, Dom/Illusion combo. Later missions, Domination.

Mesmers aren't sought after, but they do make missions a little easier in some cases, and a lot easier in others.

October Jade · Apr 12, 2007, 07:15 AM // 07:15

I think nearly everyone who spends any significant amount of time in PvE has created a mesmer.
Most of them become mules.

The truth is, the mesmer can be an excruciatingly difficult instrument to wield. There's a huge amount of finesse and timing involved, along with the necessary knowledge of all the enemies out there. For that reason alone I wouldn't recommend a mesmer to new players. If you've trekked through the PvE campaigns a few times then sure, have at it. Otherwise you'll just be frustrated and wonder why all those elementalists always get invited before you.

You'll be ridiculed by eighty percent of the PvE community, the open-minded minority still won't understand exactly what you do, and in the end you can't farm squat. That being said, it's my favorite profession.

Dean Harper · Apr 15, 2007, 07:10 AM // 07:10

here is a build i mainly use for pve and which works quite well. The skills are fairly easy to get and i usually have no problem getting into pugs with this:

Energy Surge {E}
Energy Burn
Empathy
Backfire
Wastrel's Worry
Drain Enchantment
Inspired Hex
Resurrection Signet

All i have to say is, either you like mesmers or you dont. They take a certain level of skill to play and master, but if you are up to the challenege, you will be highly rewarded in the long run.

the_jos · Apr 15, 2007, 08:41 AM // 08:41

Quote:

I really want to play a Mesmer but I want it to actually be able to do something useful in PvE.

Well, yesterday my mesmer helped someone from guild through Riverside / Dunes / All shiverpeaks / first Fire island bonus and the last two missions.
I think my mesmer was usefull.

On the other hand, I could have used about any other profession and probably be at least as efficient.

As you might have noticed, there are some community concerns about the mesmer.
When you are only focussing on elite (Factions/NF) areas and don't have a decent guild, don't do it. Not sure about FoW/UW teams.
If you want fun in the story line, please build a mesmer.
My mesmer has protectors on Tyria and Cantha, long before the introduction of heroes. And beaten Nightfall. So it's very possible to beat the game with a mesmer.

I think October Jade said it right: "The truth is, the mesmer can be an excruciatingly difficult instrument to wield. .... If you've trekked through the PvE campaigns a few times then sure, have at it."

Looking at the word 'instrument' I was thinking about those small screwdrivers used to repair small equipment like watches.
You only need them in specific situations. And you should know how to use them, otherwise you would break something.

Being a PvE mesmer means playing in the margin.
You solve little annoying things that others probably don't even see.
And you need to consider your equipment (skills) with care, since you are solving specific situations.

Nightshaper · Apr 17, 2007, 02:03 PM // 14:03

if you have the skill base, Mesmers can be great to have in a group, i started playing shortly after release with a mesmer prim, back in the day before the conjour phantom nerf, i find people really down play the Fast cast ability, As i found degen became less and less useful, i desided to do FC Nuking, that kinda stuck with me till a recently when i found my Mesmer solo build.

creelie · Apr 17, 2007, 03:54 PM // 15:54

Playing a mesmer can be really fun. I started out as a healing monk, became a protection monk, and from there became interested in interruption. I'm not as good as Norgu, but it's still immensely satisfying to stop an impending nuke in its tracks.

Cykasm · Apr 18, 2007, 02:16 AM // 02:16

Nightshaper have you posted your solo build?
I'm after a few more skill points for my mes so i can buy more cap sigs.
And the $$ wouldnt be bad too :P

Coloneh · Apr 18, 2007, 03:12 AM // 03:12

Mesmers have a disadvantage to every other class in PvE: No primary attribute. sure you can do it, but mesmer skills are all low dps and your secondary skills would be better if that was your primary. not that it cant be done, its just pointless.

Croix_Raul · Apr 18, 2007, 07:39 PM // 19:39

Well first of all mesmer require skills to operate and is painfully hard to use for first timer.To be a good mesmer you need to first understand how all the other class work.

Planning in advance is key since there no cookie cutter build for mesmer in PvE. A lot of time you will spend a lot of gold on different counter skill set for different area in PvE but its is also about that adapting factor that make the game less dry.

Most of the time you need to micro manage your energy for your mesmer to work well.

At times you will see jerks but don't let this people get to you.

I found playing mesmer most rewarding as its no longer a trigger happy game of press 1,2,3 repeat kind of nuking style.

Anyway don't be too concern in doing your bit in PvE once you get use to it you will really be doing a lot more then some would think.

Best way to learn is still look at how some mesmer monster in PvE and look at how they are giving your team hell in time you will give them hell

Haggard · Apr 18, 2007, 07:48 PM // 19:48

Quite a different experience for me than the ones mentioned above. Although the general GW community isn't so accepting of mesmers, they are probably the most played class in my alliance. Although I do find it a little surreal at times, there are dozens of people in DVDF whom I know and trust, who argue that they enjoy no class more than mesmer.

I guess it takes a certain type of person (which I am not) to appreciate them, but you'll never know till you've tried it.

Haggard · Apr 18, 2007, 07:49 PM // 19:49

Quite a different experience for me than the ones mentioned above. Although the general GW community isn't so accepting of mesmers, they are probably the most played class in my alliance. Although I do find it a little surreal at times, there are dozens of people in DVDF whom I know and trust, who argue that they enjoy no class more than mesmer.

I guess it takes a certain type of person (which I am not) to appreciate them, but you'll never know till you've tried it.

XvArchonvX · Apr 18, 2007, 08:01 PM // 20:01

Tbh, the best way to play a mesmer in PvE is to play one after you have already cleared the campaign with another class. The greatest strength of a mesmer is to counter another enemy. To do this, you need to have a good knowledge of what you are going against. Will your enemies be enchanted? Do they use many hexes? Are they mostly melee? Do they spam spells? etc.